Ciph your killin me how are you Spanish? “Escucha la, la sudar respirando” is spanish for “listen to it, the city breathing”. How rosenberg know more spanish than you?
I’m the “poor excuse for the human being” who commented that “Lil Wayne has not outrapped decent-but-not-great rappers like Big Pooh & Kanye West”
Often people without the self-confidence or knowledge to debate an issue, change the subject, or hurl ad hominem attacks at the person they avoid to actually debate. In Fox News-steez, on this podcast Rosenberg did BOTH.
Note that Rosenberg never addressed how Lil Wayne got outrapped by Big Pooh & Kanye, so I guess he conceed that Wayne did.
Big Pooh & Kanye are DECENT BUT NOT GREAT rappers. Great rappers IMHO include Black Thought, Nas, Jay-Z, Big Punisher, Chino XL, Phonte, Common, Talib Kweli, Rakim, etc. IMHO Kanye & Big Pooh are decent, but don’t come anywhere close to that level in lyricism, flow, etc, to match these greats.
Also, in the same comments page, I noted that several major label albums from the 2000s are classics, including the Kanye (excellent producer). I enjoy an album based on the music, the beats & the rhymes. I don’t care if it sold 10 Million copies or 10 copies. To avoid this part of my comments, thereby implying I reflexively hate any high-selling album, is extreme Fox News-style douchebaggery.
BTW, my experience in recent years is that there are many great underground albums. A few recent examples:
Obstensibly as a underground radio show host, you would be digging for good underground albums. If you need help with this, the following blogs, which remarkably are just individual hip hop heads’ hobby, do a good job of reviewing/digging for good albums, regardless of high or low sales success. I’ve found these sites useful. http://poisonousparagraphs.blogspot.com/ http://wakeyourdaughterup.blogspot.com/
Also the rateyourmusic.com site is useful & has yearly charts, compiled from user ratings http://rateyourmusic.com/
Rosenberg, you got “sonned on your own shyt”. You could have calmly attempted to debate my assertion that Kanye & Pooh outrapped Wayne, but apparently your emotional illogical bitchmade personality prevents you from doing so.
I have a feeling you’ll delete this comment, in true bitchmade fashion.
–on a serious note…i chose to ignore your comments because calling kanye “decent but not great” shows such a lack of knowledge for what a great rap artist is–that i have no interest in discussing it…if you dont understand or agree–i dont care…
my fav part is right at the end where juanito just cuts the “I’m sitting here, in the VIP” while cyph talking lol. other than that idk it wasn’t that great but idc.
i think the reason people aren’t liking you pr is because you’re still going on and on about yourself. i listened to your show last night and you can’t help with the self-promotion…
pmd, your argument right now seems to be semantics and nothing else. No Mames Buey says that “great” to him means Rakim, and other artists close to his level.
The words decent and great mean different things to you guys the same way hip-hop means one thing (culture) to KRS-One, and another to some other people (music genre).
Please don’t let the internet get to you. If you’re gonna respond at all to a guy like that, at least do so in kind, and back up your arguments with something other than “eat a dick.”
Personally, I think Kanye is great, but not nearly as good as some of the people on that list.
the tipping point is an incredible book…and cipha sounds is a huge MAVEN (read the book to understand that)…and i hope you guys have hit the tipping point…..congrats juan ep on steppin it up….and great episode..can we get a picture of the intern tho…lmao..jk
Thank you, been an avid listener for awhile…this podcast definitely makes sitting at my cubicle all day go by alot faster…by the way i was friends with one of d.ellis’s friends…met him a couple times and he was the one that put me onto you….i still remember meeting u back last year at the BK hiphop festival backstage last year…keep doing your thing man!
My audio had 6 minutes of dead air at the end. I’m fast forwarding the shit thinking it’ll be some bonus track ala LL’s diss towards ‘Bus on a lot of those Def Jam releases in the late 90s. Dope show once again. Makes the subway ride to Manhattan that much more enjoyable, even if you are killing my book reading potential.
Love the podcast as usual, I’ve dled every ep. The song at 28:00 is fucking hilarious. I’m guessing a lot of the big bump in downloads might have to do with all the love you’ve been getting from NahRight, eskay bigs you guys up like crazy.
Big Pooh is good, Kanye is great, but Phonte is for the children…
Other than that, good Juan 24.
To everybody else,
If you think Soulja Boy “Crank That”, Hotstylz “Lookin Ass Nigga”, and Frontpage “Who’s Gonna Show Me Some Love” is dumb, then here’s something that will make you LIKE TO DO HOODRAT STUFF WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
Peter – Long time listener. Love the show, the insight into the industry/the music plus your guys chemistry is real entertaining. Far as monetary compensation, you might look into something like the Internets Celebrities are doing:
I’m sure a lot people would be willing to kick Ciph and you a couple bucks per podcast or whatever. You could just shout people out that donated on Juan Ep as a little bonus for their contribution.
Flash did not invent the fader. The single pole, double throw switch he was talking about was referring to the a headphone/cue fader that he didn’t have on his mixer but saw a disco dj using (I’m thinking it was Pete “DJ” Jones but my memory is getting bad in my old age).
yo this show is like therapy for a young hip hop head man i swear sometimes i question myself because i wont to work in hip hop because i live for the culture but this shit just gets more confusing because back in the late 90′s there were ill lyricist plus the gangsta pop shit but now bettween the pop shit and the hipster im at a party getting hype to songs i really dont know i swear the confession at the end was way better than the behind the scenes episode maybe it was the part 2 taking so long but real talk im going to college to be somewhat apart of the culture but after hearing you and cipha go over the reality of wanting that tippin point makes me drive for success
SHOUT SUM OF US OUT THAT SUPPORT PETE LIKE ME DEVOND I SWEAR IF YOU SHOUT OUT DEVON DENIRO THAT WOULD BE THE FUCKING BEST EVER IM LINK YO SHIT RIGHT NOW CHICAGO HIP HOP> That damn song yall making buzz
Lmao @ the song……I agree with ciphasound there are a lot of wack djs out there…especially now with serato it makes things easier which a lot of these djs dont know what it is like to go out and get two or four copies of one record because you f**k up the other two or look for an acapella…but a real dj knows how to read and rock a crowd when his or her already made up playlist doesn’t work…DJ AM is a sick dj and a lot of people have started to play rock in their set now…after he started to do that..
Peter,
I am a big fan of Juan Epstein and you personally as well. I listened to you when you were on JFK and I still remember a “white mike fights” episode with seez mics which I loved. Still, I disagree with your praise of both Kanye and Lil Wayne. I think they both have good qualities, but overall they are awful rappers. I don’t understand how someone could be aware of a rap group such as Company Flow, enjoy their music and still think either Kanye or Wayne are great rappers. Obviously you don’t agree with this and obviously you don’t have to, but being that you have an “underground rap show” understand and respect that this is the opinion of most underground heads…I love the show, keep up the good work!
I am also a member of the “Lil Wayne Sucks” Club. Stop telling us to shut up and listen, because unless he gets a surgery done, Weezy’s voice will still annoy the hell out of us before we can even attempt to process what he’s actually saying and translate it from Southern Drawl to English.
And skillful though he may be, I don’t have any Kanye raps on my iPod. However, I do have plenty of his productions.
Judging MCs, you can’t really separate style from charizma and swag. As far as many underground fans hate lil weezy because of his style you can’t deny the man has charizma. And that is often what many skilled underground cats lack.
Hip hop doesn’t have this one and only “true” independent underground side to it – if you think it does, you’re stuck in a musical cellar. Which is not to say, that a lot of great music can be found underground.
Damn, if you were living in the 90s, you’d overlook guys like Notorious, just because he was big and mainstream.
It’s that simple. It has nothing to do with swagger/charisma (was that a charizma & peanut butter wolf reference with the z?); it’s all about lyrical skill and the voice (and beats, but they don’t get in the way in this case).
dudes in here hating on kanye and bigging up company flow? really? psh.
you can’t even put those kanye and el-p in the same lane, their production style is totally different. kanye is for the more mainstream/hipster crowd, el-p is for the backpackers.
you can’t even compare el-p’s stuff to a LOT of what is going on in hip hop right now, not because it’s better but because it’s so different. kanye has a completely different style from him.
“Weezy’s voice will still annoy the hell out of us before we can even attempt to process what he’s actually saying and translate it from Southern Drawl to English.”
there ya go. the epitome of the “lil’ wayne sucks argument.” northeastern biased snobbery.
translation – nothing not from the northeast (or maybe-just maybe-the west coast) is worthwhile.
^ Why does Lil Wayne represent the whole South? Why do you assume this dude vgambit hates the whole South? An obvious logical fallacy there from bside.
If someone ain’t into a NY rapper with mediocre or worse rap skills like Fat Joe or Tony Yayo, does that mean “they’re hating on NY” or “hating on Nas, Rakim, KRS-One, Jay-Z” etc? Nonsense.
There’s a lot of good south shyt, I don’t anyone is contesting that. Scarface 2002 Fix is a dope southern gangsta rap album. Phonte is an incredible rapper, & keeps dropping dope albums yearly with Little Brother & Foreign Exchange. Everyone prolly knows about OutKast or UGK.
There are dope indie south artists also, like CunningLynguists or Strange Fruit Project. If you ignore say CunningLynguists, are you also “hating on the south”?
I AM A FAN OF PETE BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE KANYE IS AN AVERAGE RAPPER AT BEST
HIS BEATS ARE HIT AND MISS
SOME ARE GOOD AND SOME ARE COMPLETE SHIT
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS SO MUCH HORRBILE MUSIC OUT RIGHT NOW -IN THE MAINSTREAM- WHEN SOMETHING AVERAGE COMES ALONG PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY GET CONFUSEDAND AND ARE QUICK TO CALL IT GREAT WHEN IN REALITY IT IS ONLY AVERAGE
“^ Why does Lil Wayne represent the whole South? Why do you assume this dude vgambit hates the whole South? An obvious logical fallacy there from bside.”
read what he said. he was disparaging wayne because of his “southern drawl.” that’s why i said what i said.
it’s good for a rappper to have swagger, but kanye and wayne rely on it as a cop out because they are not good at rapping which causes them to exude too much swagger which ruins their flow. and sure they have nice word play sometimes, but that wordplay is ruined by their lack of flow. like you wouldn’t think a speech by stephen hakwing sounded good even if he was saying genius things(not that kanye or wayne are). also, the point of the kanye comparison to comp flow is only saying that after listening to comp flow, one should be able to see that kanye sucks at rapping. If it matters to you about them rapping over different beats listen to consequence then listen to kanye and it’s obvious that kanye sucks from that comparison as well.
No. I hate Wayne because his voice is annoying. It’s not just the Southern Drawl; it is the sound his larynx makes. That coupled with the southern drawl I hear every day living in Florida makes it impossible for me to enjoy Wayne’s music.
Lil Dap has an annoying voice too, and that coupled with his awful lyrics (“yeth the group home ith thick, and pluth I don’t eat beef”) make me hate his raps.
Please understand that I am not biased against the South. People don’t choose where they are born.
If wayne and Kanye are average… What ‘superb’ rappers and producers are you comparing their rhymes and beats too?
In a world of One hit wonders (Soulja Boy) and These so called ‘Pop Rappers’ with a non deserved spotlight (Bow wow, Lil Mama) putting out horrible music. Making good music constantly is the name of the game.
All you haters are buying into the images of these greedy executives that love nothing more then to make pop rap hits with infectious beats and catchy hooks, where word play makes no difference and beats must have loud drum loops.
You are the same people who love kanye and wayne when they first came out but as soon as that chick with the huge tits and small brain starts liking them, you decide to hate them! its sickening.
Yo first off, I’m loving the Juan Epstein show. Keep them coming fella’s (pause). Secondly, Pete I know I’m late on this but you need to play Ciph Dilla’s joint E=MC2 w/Common. I’m sure you can sway him with that track, that shit is hard. Anyway, keep up the good work gentlemen.. Be Easy and Big-Ups to the Celtics!!!
First, I want to say thank you. Thank you for Juan Ep every week. I don’t care if it’s late, I don’t have any suggestions on what to do or not to do.. whatever y’all are doing is perfect. I wanted to thank you for the extra episode last week… I didn’t listen to part one til I was able to download part two.
I know how annoying it gets when people try and tell you what to do. I own my own CD shop, and every day I got people coming in with their own suggestions… Big ups, Ciph and Rosenberg!!!
I’m being semi-gay and I’m gonna post this on Ciphers site, too.
Pete, I’m a ride with ya. Keep doing your thing. The difference is all these guys hating on you here, probably still live with their parents and dream about being on Hot97. Dude, you’re living their dream, and its killing them.
Keep doing your shit, you got a winning hand right now, don’t let the haters make you lay your cards down.
Hey Rosenberg that Fat Joe album Me myself and I was pretty raw and cohesive it just had make it rain and Clap and revolve that made it sound kinda commercial.
WOW ! a new Juan Epstein already ?!
oh yeah…. thank you, pete ! for putting me up on The Ricky Gervais show podcasts. i’m hooked on it now. i hope they do more.
peace,
Que Rico
QueRico | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Rather listen to it at work
Argreigns | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
in record time too! well done pete.
Sanjay – London!
sanj | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
you guys dynamic is off the hook….
fresheir | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
DO NOT CANCEL JUAN EPSTEIN!
sanj | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
FIRE! thnx Pete
davisb | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
something good on a monday morning? wtf?
Otis | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
can we please get another rosenberg/cipha soundclash
120 | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
thank you pete. juan epstein is the bomb dot com
will | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
wow that’s a new record !!! Thankx Pete !!!
cabo | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
You done good pmd… you done good..
P.Villa | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Monday is looking up, good looking out Pete.
soulsupreme | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
noice.
universole | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
rosenberg, you were WAYYYYY on top of yo shit right hurr.
CIPH, WHATUP!!
Lee | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Please don’t call me a bitch in front of my kids (c) Dave Chappelle
Consider it posted ASAP.
LDN
ldn | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
the summer jam sounds like the same people who did shake your poak chop
hate the turtle not the pond | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
My photoshop may be down but don’t underestimate the power of paint.
check out the picture for episode 24
http://ldntimes10.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/juan-epstein-episode-24-too-soon/
LDN
ldn | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Juan Ep is fire!!
Good listening for wk. Juan Ep should def be down in Austin for SXSW 09, give it some thoughts guys.
“who’s gonna show us some love” -This record is a perfect mess. This will be the hi-light of their career.
-Alberto
BRMG
Alberto | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
http://www.jayquan.com/flashform.gif
danny | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
the song at 28:30 is the cheesiest shit i’ve ever heard.
MILES DAVIS CAT | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Ciph your killin me how are you Spanish? “Escucha la, la sudar respirando” is spanish for “listen to it, the city breathing”. How rosenberg know more spanish than you?
Singuista | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Those crazy cabbies are wild, I run the yellow cab game! peep my site http://www.yellowcabnyc.com
Brooklynmark | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Rosenberg
I’m the “poor excuse for the human being” who commented that “Lil Wayne has not outrapped decent-but-not-great rappers like Big Pooh & Kanye West”
Often people without the self-confidence or knowledge to debate an issue, change the subject, or hurl ad hominem attacks at the person they avoid to actually debate. In Fox News-steez, on this podcast Rosenberg did BOTH.
Note that Rosenberg never addressed how Lil Wayne got outrapped by Big Pooh & Kanye, so I guess he conceed that Wayne did.
Big Pooh & Kanye are DECENT BUT NOT GREAT rappers. Great rappers IMHO include Black Thought, Nas, Jay-Z, Big Punisher, Chino XL, Phonte, Common, Talib Kweli, Rakim, etc. IMHO Kanye & Big Pooh are decent, but don’t come anywhere close to that level in lyricism, flow, etc, to match these greats.
Also, in the same comments page, I noted that several major label albums from the 2000s are classics, including the Kanye (excellent producer). I enjoy an album based on the music, the beats & the rhymes. I don’t care if it sold 10 Million copies or 10 copies. To avoid this part of my comments, thereby implying I reflexively hate any high-selling album, is extreme Fox News-style douchebaggery.
BTW, my experience in recent years is that there are many great underground albums. A few recent examples:
Blue Scholars 2007 Bayani
Cunninlynguists 2007 Dirty Acres
Foreign Exchange 2004 Connected
Funky DL 2007 4th Quarter
Panacea 2006 Ink Is My Drink
ShinSight Trio 2006 Shallow Nights Blurry Moon
Wale Oyejide 2006 Africahot
Obstensibly as a underground radio show host, you would be digging for good underground albums. If you need help with this, the following blogs, which remarkably are just individual hip hop heads’ hobby, do a good job of reviewing/digging for good albums, regardless of high or low sales success. I’ve found these sites useful.
http://poisonousparagraphs.blogspot.com/
http://wakeyourdaughterup.blogspot.com/
Also the rateyourmusic.com site is useful & has yearly charts, compiled from user ratings
http://rateyourmusic.com/
Rosenberg, you got “sonned on your own shyt”. You could have calmly attempted to debate my assertion that Kanye & Pooh outrapped Wayne, but apparently your emotional illogical bitchmade personality prevents you from doing so.
I have a feeling you’ll delete this comment, in true bitchmade fashion.
No Mames Buey | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
No Names Buey —
in the words of Ice-T …eat a d*ck
–on a serious note…i chose to ignore your comments because calling kanye “decent but not great” shows such a lack of knowledge for what a great rap artist is–that i have no interest in discussing it…if you dont understand or agree–i dont care…
thanks for the help though
pmd | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
my fav part is right at the end where juanito just cuts the “I’m sitting here, in the VIP” while cyph talking lol. other than that idk it wasn’t that great but idc.
i think the reason people aren’t liking you pr is because you’re still going on and on about yourself. i listened to your show last night and you can’t help with the self-promotion…
Kyo | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
hi haters: stop coming to the site. you lose all credibility by even commenting. why are you on the dick of someone you don’t respect?
bsidewinzagain | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
120′s right, another soundclash would be dope, or the full video from the first one
Brent from Scotia | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
pmd, your argument right now seems to be semantics and nothing else. No Mames Buey says that “great” to him means Rakim, and other artists close to his level.
The words decent and great mean different things to you guys the same way hip-hop means one thing (culture) to KRS-One, and another to some other people (music genre).
Please don’t let the internet get to you. If you’re gonna respond at all to a guy like that, at least do so in kind, and back up your arguments with something other than “eat a dick.”
Personally, I think Kanye is great, but not nearly as good as some of the people on that list.
And Buey, where the fuck is Big L on your list?
vgambit | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
the tipping point is an incredible book…and cipha sounds is a huge MAVEN (read the book to understand that)…and i hope you guys have hit the tipping point…..congrats juan ep on steppin it up….and great episode..can we get a picture of the intern tho…lmao..jk
ezey | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
hi haters: stop coming to the site. you lose all credibility by even commenting. why are you on the dick of someone you don’t respect?
bsidewinzagain | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
^^^^CHUUUURCH
MILES DAVIS CAT | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
rosenberg dude came at you with a concise arguement, not some bullshit internet comment flamin. and thats how you respond? lol.
take your L and keep it movin.
universole | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
good show. great way to start the week. doing my part to get you guys to 5-digit numbers by next sat!
franchise | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
frontpage – who’s gonna show me some love (music video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUGi4SDl-qw
this song really sucks.
levee | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Thank you, been an avid listener for awhile…this podcast definitely makes sitting at my cubicle all day go by alot faster…by the way i was friends with one of d.ellis’s friends…met him a couple times and he was the one that put me onto you….i still remember meeting u back last year at the BK hiphop festival backstage last year…keep doing your thing man!
PJ | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
I’m sitting here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
micheal | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
My audio had 6 minutes of dead air at the end. I’m fast forwarding the shit thinking it’ll be some bonus track ala LL’s diss towards ‘Bus on a lot of those Def Jam releases in the late 90s. Dope show once again. Makes the subway ride to Manhattan that much more enjoyable, even if you are killing my book reading potential.
Matt | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
def read The Tipping Point, great book!
puerto rok | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Love the podcast as usual, I’ve dled every ep. The song at 28:00 is fucking hilarious. I’m guessing a lot of the big bump in downloads might have to do with all the love you’ve been getting from NahRight, eskay bigs you guys up like crazy.
k.
Kid Kalig | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
http://gawker.com/390156/ten-angry-on+camera-meltdowns
And the whole Berman meltdown….
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=27685805
Charlotte represent! | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
To The Fly Jew,
Big Pooh is good, Kanye is great, but Phonte is for the children…
Other than that, good Juan 24.
To everybody else,
If you think Soulja Boy “Crank That”, Hotstylz “Lookin Ass Nigga”, and Frontpage “Who’s Gonna Show Me Some Love” is dumb, then here’s something that will make you LIKE TO DO HOODRAT STUFF WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
ANSOM: i-o-e-n-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1INF51QDE8
i-o-e-n-o, whhhhhuuuuuutttttt….
Ansom The Beboy | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Thank you Pete…
Welcome to Costco, I love you | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Peter – Long time listener. Love the show, the insight into the industry/the music plus your guys chemistry is real entertaining. Far as monetary compensation, you might look into something like the Internets Celebrities are doing:
http://www.ohword.com/blog/967/get-in-at-the-ground-floor-as-an-ic-producer
I’m sure a lot people would be willing to kick Ciph and you a couple bucks per podcast or whatever. You could just shout people out that donated on Juan Ep as a little bonus for their contribution.
justbe | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Flash did not invent the fader. The single pole, double throw switch he was talking about was referring to the a headphone/cue fader that he didn’t have on his mixer but saw a disco dj using (I’m thinking it was Pete “DJ” Jones but my memory is getting bad in my old age).
phil | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
yo this show is like therapy for a young hip hop head man i swear sometimes i question myself because i wont to work in hip hop because i live for the culture but this shit just gets more confusing because back in the late 90′s there were ill lyricist plus the gangsta pop shit but now bettween the pop shit and the hipster im at a party getting hype to songs i really dont know i swear the confession at the end was way better than the behind the scenes episode maybe it was the part 2 taking so long but real talk im going to college to be somewhat apart of the culture but after hearing you and cipha go over the reality of wanting that tippin point makes me drive for success
devond | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
SHOUT SUM OF US OUT THAT SUPPORT PETE LIKE ME DEVOND I SWEAR IF YOU SHOUT OUT DEVON DENIRO THAT WOULD BE THE FUCKING BEST EVER IM LINK YO SHIT RIGHT NOW CHICAGO HIP HOP> That damn song yall making buzz
devond | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
Lmao @ the song……I agree with ciphasound there are a lot of wack djs out there…especially now with serato it makes things easier which a lot of these djs dont know what it is like to go out and get two or four copies of one record because you f**k up the other two or look for an acapella…but a real dj knows how to read and rock a crowd when his or her already made up playlist doesn’t work…DJ AM is a sick dj and a lot of people have started to play rock in their set now…after he started to do that..
Jose S. | Jun 23, 2008 | Reply
http://failblog.org/
nation | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
oy spaniard… I hope you’re holding on tight to that footage
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zhabQzDQQQ8
nation | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Peter,
I am a big fan of Juan Epstein and you personally as well. I listened to you when you were on JFK and I still remember a “white mike fights” episode with seez mics which I loved. Still, I disagree with your praise of both Kanye and Lil Wayne. I think they both have good qualities, but overall they are awful rappers. I don’t understand how someone could be aware of a rap group such as Company Flow, enjoy their music and still think either Kanye or Wayne are great rappers. Obviously you don’t agree with this and obviously you don’t have to, but being that you have an “underground rap show” understand and respect that this is the opinion of most underground heads…I love the show, keep up the good work!
Sam | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
I am also a member of the “Lil Wayne Sucks” Club. Stop telling us to shut up and listen, because unless he gets a surgery done, Weezy’s voice will still annoy the hell out of us before we can even attempt to process what he’s actually saying and translate it from Southern Drawl to English.
And skillful though he may be, I don’t have any Kanye raps on my iPod. However, I do have plenty of his productions.
vgambit | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Judging MCs, you can’t really separate style from charizma and swag. As far as many underground fans hate lil weezy because of his style you can’t deny the man has charizma. And that is often what many skilled underground cats lack.
Hip hop doesn’t have this one and only “true” independent underground side to it – if you think it does, you’re stuck in a musical cellar. Which is not to say, that a lot of great music can be found underground.
Damn, if you were living in the 90s, you’d overlook guys like Notorious, just because he was big and mainstream.
Wake up kiddos!
BessMane | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
No. Biggie was dope. Weezy is not.
It’s that simple. It has nothing to do with swagger/charisma (was that a charizma & peanut butter wolf reference with the z?); it’s all about lyrical skill and the voice (and beats, but they don’t get in the way in this case).
vgambit | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
dudes in here hating on kanye and bigging up company flow? really? psh.
you can’t even put those kanye and el-p in the same lane, their production style is totally different. kanye is for the more mainstream/hipster crowd, el-p is for the backpackers.
you can’t even compare el-p’s stuff to a LOT of what is going on in hip hop right now, not because it’s better but because it’s so different. kanye has a completely different style from him.
MILES D CAT | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
like rosenberg said: “sometimes cats stay underground for a reason”.
if more people were checking for el-p, then maybe he would be on the same level as kanye or wayne.
MILES D CAT | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
“Weezy’s voice will still annoy the hell out of us before we can even attempt to process what he’s actually saying and translate it from Southern Drawl to English.”
there ya go. the epitome of the “lil’ wayne sucks argument.” northeastern biased snobbery.
translation – nothing not from the northeast (or maybe-just maybe-the west coast) is worthwhile.
you need to go have a latte and shut the f up.
bsidewinzagain | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
^ Why does Lil Wayne represent the whole South? Why do you assume this dude vgambit hates the whole South? An obvious logical fallacy there from bside.
If someone ain’t into a NY rapper with mediocre or worse rap skills like Fat Joe or Tony Yayo, does that mean “they’re hating on NY” or “hating on Nas, Rakim, KRS-One, Jay-Z” etc? Nonsense.
There’s a lot of good south shyt, I don’t anyone is contesting that. Scarface 2002 Fix is a dope southern gangsta rap album. Phonte is an incredible rapper, & keeps dropping dope albums yearly with Little Brother & Foreign Exchange. Everyone prolly knows about OutKast or UGK.
There are dope indie south artists also, like CunningLynguists or Strange Fruit Project. If you ignore say CunningLynguists, are you also “hating on the south”?
No Mames Buey | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Peter! Do you coun iTunes downloads because lot of cats downloadain your ish throug itunes
davis | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
I AM A FAN OF PETE BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE KANYE IS AN AVERAGE RAPPER AT BEST
HIS BEATS ARE HIT AND MISS
SOME ARE GOOD AND SOME ARE COMPLETE SHIT
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS SO MUCH HORRBILE MUSIC OUT RIGHT NOW -IN THE MAINSTREAM- WHEN SOMETHING AVERAGE COMES ALONG PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY GET CONFUSEDAND AND ARE QUICK TO CALL IT GREAT WHEN IN REALITY IT IS ONLY AVERAGE
HOT 97 STILL SUCKS
FUNK FLEX IS A DICKHEAD
WANYE IS AVERAGE
KANYE IS AVERAGE
TRUTH SPEAKER | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
PHONTE’S PODCAST (LITTLE BROTHER)
http://www.gordongartrellradio.com
JUAN EP. IS DOPE, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT DIG THIS ONE BEING A LB FAN, PRETTY WELL EXECUTED.
OH YEAH…..THROW UP A PIC OF THE INTERN CHICK
;P
INNERG13 | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
“^ Why does Lil Wayne represent the whole South? Why do you assume this dude vgambit hates the whole South? An obvious logical fallacy there from bside.”
read what he said. he was disparaging wayne because of his “southern drawl.” that’s why i said what i said.
bsidewinzagain | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
it’s good for a rappper to have swagger, but kanye and wayne rely on it as a cop out because they are not good at rapping which causes them to exude too much swagger which ruins their flow. and sure they have nice word play sometimes, but that wordplay is ruined by their lack of flow. like you wouldn’t think a speech by stephen hakwing sounded good even if he was saying genius things(not that kanye or wayne are). also, the point of the kanye comparison to comp flow is only saying that after listening to comp flow, one should be able to see that kanye sucks at rapping. If it matters to you about them rapping over different beats listen to consequence then listen to kanye and it’s obvious that kanye sucks from that comparison as well.
Sam | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Yo Peter,
What does it mean you ‘don’t know someone from Atom, Adam?”
mn | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
and popularity has nothing to do with what “level” a rapper is on
Sam | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
at the end of the day, kanye is a better rapper than anyone commenting in here.
MILES DAVIS CAT | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
No. I hate Wayne because his voice is annoying. It’s not just the Southern Drawl; it is the sound his larynx makes. That coupled with the southern drawl I hear every day living in Florida makes it impossible for me to enjoy Wayne’s music.
Lil Dap has an annoying voice too, and that coupled with his awful lyrics (“yeth the group home ith thick, and pluth I don’t eat beef”) make me hate his raps.
Please understand that I am not biased against the South. People don’t choose where they are born.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wEw4kxj2wDk
The man behind the boards is Japanese, but the guys rapping are from Gainesville, Florida.
vgambit | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
hahah
dats whats up. you get mo comments then ciph.
ahhh man keep doing your thing. fuck the haters.
webbie352 | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
If wayne and Kanye are average… What ‘superb’ rappers and producers are you comparing their rhymes and beats too?
In a world of One hit wonders (Soulja Boy) and These so called ‘Pop Rappers’ with a non deserved spotlight (Bow wow, Lil Mama) putting out horrible music. Making good music constantly is the name of the game.
All you haters are buying into the images of these greedy executives that love nothing more then to make pop rap hits with infectious beats and catchy hooks, where word play makes no difference and beats must have loud drum loops.
You are the same people who love kanye and wayne when they first came out but as soon as that chick with the huge tits and small brain starts liking them, you decide to hate them! its sickening.
Arg reigns | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Yo first off, I’m loving the Juan Epstein show. Keep them coming fella’s (pause). Secondly, Pete I know I’m late on this but you need to play Ciph Dilla’s joint E=MC2 w/Common. I’m sure you can sway him with that track, that shit is hard. Anyway, keep up the good work gentlemen.. Be Easy and Big-Ups to the Celtics!!!
Jewop | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
First, I want to say thank you. Thank you for Juan Ep every week. I don’t care if it’s late, I don’t have any suggestions on what to do or not to do.. whatever y’all are doing is perfect. I wanted to thank you for the extra episode last week… I didn’t listen to part one til I was able to download part two.
I know how annoying it gets when people try and tell you what to do. I own my own CD shop, and every day I got people coming in with their own suggestions… Big ups, Ciph and Rosenberg!!!
I’m being semi-gay and I’m gonna post this on Ciphers site, too.
Yianni | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
kanye is the saviour
Donny Jarma | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
I NEVER WAS A FAN OF KANYE
I NEVER WAS A FAN OF WAYNE
I USED TO LISTEN TO HOT 97
I USED TO LISTEN TO FUNKMASTER FLEX
TRUTH SPEAKER | Jun 24, 2008 | Reply
Pete, I’m a ride with ya. Keep doing your thing. The difference is all these guys hating on you here, probably still live with their parents and dream about being on Hot97. Dude, you’re living their dream, and its killing them.
Keep doing your shit, you got a winning hand right now, don’t let the haters make you lay your cards down.
Captain Franco | Jun 25, 2008 | Reply
wow so much comments?
oh and you smell like garbage.
Patrick | Jun 25, 2008 | Reply
DREAM ABOUT BEING ON HOT 97 LIKE PETE?
THE LAST TIME HOT 97 WAS WORTH LISTENING TO,
PETE WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL AND WORKING AT A FOOT LOCKER IN A SUBURBAN SHOPPING MALL
JORDAN WAS STILL IN THE NBA
BIG LEZ WAS HOSTING RAP CITY
EWING STILL PLAYED FOR THE KNICKS
TRUTH SPEAKER | Jun 25, 2008 | Reply
75th!
L-S | Jun 25, 2008 | Reply
Hey Rosenberg that Fat Joe album Me myself and I was pretty raw and cohesive it just had make it rain and Clap and revolve that made it sound kinda commercial.
MoneyMarc | Jun 25, 2008 | Reply
lol yo here’s something to laugh about, if anyone wants to buy a house, there’s a pretty unique deal here:
http://digg.com/people/Home_for_sale_includes_a_hot_wife.
P.S.
I wouldn’t hit it.
Singuista | Jun 26, 2008 | Reply
oh and copy and paste that link on the browers for some reason it don’t work when you click on it.
Singuista | Jun 26, 2008 | Reply
ahhh man that song with the in the club thing was so wack haha you a funny dude rosenberg.
IM SITTIN HEAAAAAAAAAAAA
Y2Dre | Jun 27, 2008 | Reply
Technique> Little brother come on rosenberg lol
Y2Dre | Jun 27, 2008 | Reply
I heard an interview with ?uestlove and he said that “Hola Hovito” was ghost produced by Scott Storch.
Allan | Aug 21, 2008 | Reply
there should be more Juan EPs like this
low profiLe | Apr 26, 2009 | Reply