I’m the “poor excuse for the human being” who commented that “Lil Wayne has not outrapped decent-but-not-great rappers like Big Pooh & Kanye West”
Often people without the self-confidence or knowledge to debate an issue, change the subject, or hurl ad hominem attacks at the person they avoid to actually debate. In Fox News-steez, on this podcast Rosenberg did BOTH.
Note that Rosenberg never addressed how Lil Wayne got outrapped by Big Pooh & Kanye, so I guess he conceed that Wayne did.
Big Pooh & Kanye are DECENT BUT NOT GREAT rappers. Great rappers IMHO include Black Thought, Nas, Jay-Z, Big Punisher, Chino XL, Phonte, Common, Talib Kweli, Rakim, etc. IMHO Kanye & Big Pooh are decent, but don’t come anywhere close to that level in lyricism, flow, etc, to match these greats.
Also, in the same comments page, I noted that several major label albums from the 2000s are classics, including the Kanye (excellent producer). I enjoy an album based on the music, the beats & the rhymes. I don’t care if it sold 10 Million copies or 10 copies. To avoid this part of my comments, thereby implying I reflexively hate any high-selling album, is extreme Fox News-style douchebaggery.
BTW, my experience in recent years is that there are many great underground albums. A few recent examples:
Obstensibly as a underground radio show host, you would be digging for good underground albums. If you need help with this, the following blogs, which remarkably are just individual hip hop heads’ hobby, do a good job of reviewing/digging for good albums, regardless of high or low sales success. I’ve found these sites useful. http://poisonousparagraphs.blogspot.com/ http://wakeyourdaughterup.blogspot.com/
Rosenberg, you got “sonned on your own shyt”. You could have calmly attempted to debate my assertion that Kanye & Pooh outrapped Wayne, but apparently your emotional illogical bitchmade personality prevents you from doing so.
I have a feeling you’ll delete this comment, in true bitchmade fashion.
–on a serious note…i chose to ignore your comments because calling kanye “decent but not great” shows such a lack of knowledge for what a great rap artist is–that i have no interest in discussing it…if you dont understand or agree–i dont care…
the tipping point is an incredible book…and cipha sounds is a huge MAVEN (read the book to understand that)…and i hope you guys have hit the tipping point…..congrats juan ep on steppin it up….and great episode..can we get a picture of the intern tho…lmao..jk
Thank you, been an avid listener for awhile…this podcast definitely makes sitting at my cubicle all day go by alot faster…by the way i was friends with one of d.ellis’s friends…met him a couple times and he was the one that put me onto you….i still remember meeting u back last year at the BK hiphop festival backstage last year…keep doing your thing man!
My audio had 6 minutes of dead air at the end. I’m fast forwarding the shit thinking it’ll be some bonus track ala LL’s diss towards ‘Bus on a lot of those Def Jam releases in the late 90s. Dope show once again. Makes the subway ride to Manhattan that much more enjoyable, even if you are killing my book reading potential.
Love the podcast as usual, I’ve dled every ep. The song at 28:00 is fucking hilarious. I’m guessing a lot of the big bump in downloads might have to do with all the love you’ve been getting from NahRight, eskay bigs you guys up like crazy.
Big Pooh is good, Kanye is great, but Phonte is for the children…
Other than that, good Juan 24.
To everybody else,
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Peter – Long time listener. Love the show, the insight into the industry/the music plus your guys chemistry is real entertaining. Far as monetary compensation, you might look into something like the Internets Celebrities are doing:
Flash did not invent the fader. The single pole, double throw switch he was talking about was referring to the a headphone/cue fader that he didn’t have on his mixer but saw a disco dj using (I’m thinking it was Pete “DJ” Jones but my memory is getting bad in my old age).
yo this show is like therapy for a young hip hop head man i swear sometimes i question myself because i wont to work in hip hop because i live for the culture but this shit just gets more confusing because back in the late 90′s there were ill lyricist plus the gangsta pop shit but now bettween the pop shit and the hipster im at a party getting hype to songs i really dont know i swear the confession at the end was way better than the behind the scenes episode maybe it was the part 2 taking so long but real talk im going to college to be somewhat apart of the culture but after hearing you and cipha go over the reality of wanting that tippin point makes me drive for success
SHOUT SUM OF US OUT THAT SUPPORT PETE LIKE ME DEVOND I SWEAR IF YOU SHOUT OUT DEVON DENIRO THAT WOULD BE THE FUCKING BEST EVER IM LINK YO SHIT RIGHT NOW CHICAGO HIP HOP> That damn song yall making buzz
Lmao @ the song……I agree with ciphasound there are a lot of wack djs out there…especially now with serato it makes things easier which a lot of these djs dont know what it is like to go out and get two or four copies of one record because you f**k up the other two or look for an acapella…but a real dj knows how to read and rock a crowd when his or her already made up playlist doesn’t work…DJ AM is a sick dj and a lot of people have started to play rock in their set now…after he started to do that..
I am a big fan of Juan Epstein and you personally as well. I listened to you when you were on JFK and I still remember a “white mike fights” episode with seez mics which I loved. Still, I disagree with your praise of both Kanye and Lil Wayne. I think they both have good qualities, but overall they are awful rappers. I don’t understand how someone could be aware of a rap group such as Company Flow, enjoy their music and still think either Kanye or Wayne are great rappers. Obviously you don’t agree with this and obviously you don’t have to, but being that you have an “underground rap show” understand and respect that this is the opinion of most underground heads…I love the show, keep up the good work!
I am also a member of the “Lil Wayne Sucks” Club. Stop telling us to shut up and listen, because unless he gets a surgery done, Weezy’s voice will still annoy the hell out of us before we can even attempt to process what he’s actually saying and translate it from Southern Drawl to English.
And skillful though he may be, I don’t have any Kanye raps on my iPod. However, I do have plenty of his productions.
Judging MCs, you can’t really separate style from charizma and swag. As far as many underground fans hate lil weezy because of his style you can’t deny the man has charizma. And that is often what many skilled underground cats lack.
Hip hop doesn’t have this one and only “true” independent underground side to it – if you think it does, you’re stuck in a musical cellar. Which is not to say, that a lot of great music can be found underground.
Damn, if you were living in the 90s, you’d overlook guys like Notorious, just because he was big and mainstream.
It’s that simple. It has nothing to do with swagger/charisma (was that a charizma & peanut butter wolf reference with the z?); it’s all about lyrical skill and the voice (and beats, but they don’t get in the way in this case).
^ Why does Lil Wayne represent the whole South? Why do you assume this dude vgambit hates the whole South? An obvious logical fallacy there from bside.
If someone ain’t into a NY rapper with mediocre or worse rap skills like Fat Joe or Tony Yayo, does that mean “they’re hating on NY” or “hating on Nas, Rakim, KRS-One, Jay-Z” etc? Nonsense.
There’s a lot of good south shyt, I don’t anyone is contesting that. Scarface 2002 Fix is a dope southern gangsta rap album. Phonte is an incredible rapper, & keeps dropping dope albums yearly with Little Brother & Foreign Exchange. Everyone prolly knows about OutKast or UGK.
There are dope indie south artists also, like CunningLynguists or Strange Fruit Project. If you ignore say CunningLynguists, are you also “hating on the south”?
I AM A FAN OF PETE BUT I HAVE TO DISAGREE KANYE IS AN AVERAGE RAPPER AT BEST
HIS BEATS ARE HIT AND MISS
SOME ARE GOOD AND SOME ARE COMPLETE SHIT
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS SO MUCH HORRBILE MUSIC OUT RIGHT NOW -IN THE MAINSTREAM- WHEN SOMETHING AVERAGE COMES ALONG PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY GET CONFUSEDAND AND ARE QUICK TO CALL IT GREAT WHEN IN REALITY IT IS ONLY AVERAGE
it’s good for a rappper to have swagger, but kanye and wayne rely on it as a cop out because they are not good at rapping which causes them to exude too much swagger which ruins their flow. and sure they have nice word play sometimes, but that wordplay is ruined by their lack of flow. like you wouldn’t think a speech by stephen hakwing sounded good even if he was saying genius things(not that kanye or wayne are). also, the point of the kanye comparison to comp flow is only saying that after listening to comp flow, one should be able to see that kanye sucks at rapping. If it matters to you about them rapping over different beats listen to consequence then listen to kanye and it’s obvious that kanye sucks from that comparison as well.
No. I hate Wayne because his voice is annoying. It’s not just the Southern Drawl; it is the sound his larynx makes. That coupled with the southern drawl I hear every day living in Florida makes it impossible for me to enjoy Wayne’s music.
Lil Dap has an annoying voice too, and that coupled with his awful lyrics (“yeth the group home ith thick, and pluth I don’t eat beef”) make me hate his raps.
Please understand that I am not biased against the South. People don’t choose where they are born.
If wayne and Kanye are average… What ‘superb’ rappers and producers are you comparing their rhymes and beats too?
In a world of One hit wonders (Soulja Boy) and These so called ‘Pop Rappers’ with a non deserved spotlight (Bow wow, Lil Mama) putting out horrible music. Making good music constantly is the name of the game.
All you haters are buying into the images of these greedy executives that love nothing more then to make pop rap hits with infectious beats and catchy hooks, where word play makes no difference and beats must have loud drum loops.
You are the same people who love kanye and wayne when they first came out but as soon as that chick with the huge tits and small brain starts liking them, you decide to hate them! its sickening.
Yo first off, I’m loving the Juan Epstein show. Keep them coming fella’s (pause). Secondly, Pete I know I’m late on this but you need to play Ciph Dilla’s joint E=MC2 w/Common. I’m sure you can sway him with that track, that shit is hard. Anyway, keep up the good work gentlemen.. Be Easy and Big-Ups to the Celtics!!!
First, I want to say thank you. Thank you for Juan Ep every week. I don’t care if it’s late, I don’t have any suggestions on what to do or not to do.. whatever y’all are doing is perfect. I wanted to thank you for the extra episode last week… I didn’t listen to part one til I was able to download part two.
I know how annoying it gets when people try and tell you what to do. I own my own CD shop, and every day I got people coming in with their own suggestions… Big ups, Ciph and Rosenberg!!!
I’m being semi-gay and I’m gonna post this on Ciphers site, too.
Pete, I’m a ride with ya. Keep doing your thing. The difference is all these guys hating on you here, probably still live with their parents and dream about being on Hot97. Dude, you’re living their dream, and its killing them.
Keep doing your shit, you got a winning hand right now, don’t let the haters make you lay your cards down.